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Girardi vs. Torre: Who will have more wins in his first season with his new team?
Joe Girardi takes over the New York Yankees and Joe Torre heads west to manage the Los Angeles Dodgers. Who will have more success and why? Give your best argument. One will be chosen as the contest winner and will receive $25 from Overstock.com.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/sports/baseball/06girardi.html?em&ex=1194498000&en=3471a3292d828f79&ei=5087%0A
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I would have to say that Torre and the Dodgers will have more wins than Girardi and the Yankees. I think that the Dodgers are a pretty good team to start out a new season as manager with.The Dodgers have only really been missing a Manager with the smarts enough to know what to do in those situation which only experence will help you out in. The Dodgers pitching isnt to bad with starters like Brad Penny who went (16-4 with 135 so in 208 innings), Chad Billingsley who was (12-5 with 141 so in 147 innings) Derek Lowe who had a rough year but should pitch better this season was (12-14 with 147 so in 199 innings) and Randy Wolf who was ( 9-6 with 94 so in 102 innings) Not bad starting four. There closer Takashi Saito went ( 2-1 with 39 saves and 78 so in only 64 innings) not to shabby for a closer huh?Thats there pitching, there lineup is not so bad either with players like Pierre ( 64 steals) Furcal ( 25 steals ) Martin (19 hrs & 21 steals) superman Jeff Kent (20 hrs) Gonzalez ( 15 hrs) Either ( 13 hrs) Garciaparra ( 7 hrs) and Hillenbrand ( only 1 hr) Still there line up isnt bad. On the other hand the Yankees lineup this year we all know asnt anything to write home about at the start of the season except for A-ROD who we all know is not a Yankee anymore. The Yankees lineup was great after the All-star break.With probaly the most EXPLOSIVE lineup in all of baseball they should have been hitting like that all year long.Well thats why there the highest paid team in all of baseball with players like Damon ( 12 hrs 27 steals) Jeter ( 12 hrs 15 steals) Cabrera ( 8 hrs 13 steals) Abreu (16 hrs 25 steals) Cano ( 19 hrs 4 steals) Posads ( 20 hrs 2 steals) Rodriguez ( 54 hrs 24 steals) Matsui ( 25 hrs 4 steals) Giambi ( 14 hrs 1 steal) not a bad lineup at all huh. There pitching staff was Pettitte who was (15-9 141 so in 215 innings) Wang who was there ace (19-7 104 so in 199 innings ) Musssina who went (11-10 91 so in 152 innings) Clemens who was (6-6 68 so in 99 innings ) and Igawa who was (2-3 53 so in 67 innings) and the closer Rivera who was ( 3-4 with 30 saves and 74 so in 71 innings) Not a bad pitching staff at all either.So if both manager were getting the same teams as last year back then it would be hand down that Girardi would have more wins. But thats not the case at all, well it sort of is for Torre who will be returning most all of his team. As for Girardi he will be losing some big time hitters and pitchers.I think it will be to hard for Girardi to try and make up 88 hrs 27 steals for the hitters leaving and a record of 24-19 with 283 so in 385 innings and 30 saves for the pitcher leaving. That will be a god awful task to complete.So with that being said there is now way Girardi and the Yankees will be able to match the win total of Torre and the Dodgers.So i would say that the Dodgers and Torre will Probaly finish in first place in there division,the Yankees and Girardi will probaly end up either 3-4 in the divison behind the RED SOX ,Baltimore or Toronto maybe behind all three of those teams but should finish ahead of Tampa Bay, but you never know the could end up the Cellar Dwellars if Tampa can put together a team of so sorts ( dont see that happening at all though).So the answer to your question is Torre and his Dodgers.......

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Girardi and Yanks

Torre and Dodgers


I think I'll go with the Yanks..for the last 10 years they have averaged 98 wins per season and the Dodgers only averaged 85. Even going back 20 years (skipping strike year) It's Yanks 90 wins and Dodgers 83. For some reason the Yankees seem to win more often than the Dodgers. Easier schedule? :-)
ramshot603  MVP 
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11/7/2007 4:27 PM ET

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The Yanks could win 90 games with no manager... The Dodgers can not.
AJ  All-Star 
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11/8/2007 10:42 AM ET

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Come on seriously, The Yankees. Managers are not as important in Baseball as other sports. So now go to the talent on both teams. Yanks
Laynechain  All-Star 
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11/8/2007 12:22 PM ET

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if the yanks can resign rivera and posada..then obvioulsy he will have the edge in the managers..the yankees have 4 young hurlers in wang, hughes, joba, and kennedy..we are going to go back to what we were in the late 90's before we wasted all this money on powerhitting do nothings like giambi and Arod...
FTF PJ  Commissioner 
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11/8/2007 5:44 PM ET

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OK....in a sense, this is kind of a pointless debate. Torre has been successfull with the Yanks because he has never had to deal with a payroll. If he wanted someone, he got them, at whatever cost. Now he is going to have to "manage." Torre was not successfull in his last time in the NL with the Cardinals and is going to have to deal with being in a division that had the two teams in the NL Championship Series last year. Torres laid back, spectator approach to the game isn't going to fly in the egotistical clubhouse of the LA Dodgers and the team isn't that good, with the exception of Martin. Girrardi will have a few struggles with replacing the production of A-Rod and an average pitching staff, but overall just being the Yankees manager should translate into at least 10 more wins that being the Dodgers manager.
cdbbigdaddy  Rookie 
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11/9/2007 10:03 PM ET

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Sucess? It is already established that all Joe has to do is win the World Series. Nothing else is acceptable. On the other Joe, he must put up a product of blue that would make Tommy proud. Joey G. has shown grit while waiing for this opportunity, I wonder if we know the pressure he will be asked to endure... Good Luck Joe....
rookie4_99  Rookie 
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11/10/2007 1:00 AM ET

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Even being a Red Sox fan, I think that the Yankees will have more wins than the Dodgers..Laynechain, are you from planet earth? Managers not as important in baseball, you must be kidding me?? If you had said Coaches not as important in the NBA, I would have agreed 100%
eeee  Rookie 
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11/12/2007 4:07 PM ET

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I have to go with the yankees......even though i absolutly hate them they win...that's partially why I hate them so much........Yankees have more talent and always find a way to win....the dodgers will be playoff bound this year, but with less wins
mikealsky28  MVP 
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Im going with Torre and the Dodgers because even though the Yankees are still a good team, they lost A-Rod, Posada is getting old even though he had a break out year, Betimit is the 3rd basemen, They need 3 more pitchers, Wang, Joba, and Hughes cant pitch every game. the Dodgers on the other hand are a young team, they looked good last year they kept in with the competition. It will be different with Torre as the manager and he has more expirience. I dont think Gerardi is going to do that well, but a 3 year old baby can coach the Yankees and they would still win 90 games.
PD  Commissioner 
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11/7/2007 3:25 PM ET

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I would have to say that Torre and the Dodgers will have more wins than Girardi and the Yankees. I think that the Dodgers are a pretty good team to start out a new season as manager with.The Dodgers have only really been missing a Manager with the smarts enough to know what to do in those situation which only experence will help you out in. The Dodgers pitching isnt to bad with starters like Brad Penny who went (16-4 with 135 so in 208 innings), Chad Billingsley who was (12-5 with 141 so in 147 innings) Derek Lowe who had a rough year but should pitch better this season was (12-14 with 147 so in 199 innings) and Randy Wolf who was ( 9-6 with 94 so in 102 innings) Not bad starting four. There closer Takashi Saito went ( 2-1 with 39 saves and 78 so in only 64 innings) not to shabby for a closer huh?Thats there pitching, there lineup is not so bad either with players like Pierre ( 64 steals) Furcal ( 25 steals ) Martin (19 hrs & 21 steals) superman Jeff Kent (20 hrs) Gonzalez ( 15 hrs) Either ( 13 hrs) Garciaparra ( 7 hrs) and Hillenbrand ( only 1 hr) Still there line up isnt bad. On the other hand the Yankees lineup this year we all know asnt anything to write home about at the start of the season except for A-ROD who we all know is not a Yankee anymore. The Yankees lineup was great after the All-star break.With probaly the most EXPLOSIVE lineup in all of baseball they should have been hitting like that all year long.Well thats why there the highest paid team in all of baseball with players like Damon ( 12 hrs 27 steals) Jeter ( 12 hrs 15 steals) Cabrera ( 8 hrs 13 steals) Abreu (16 hrs 25 steals) Cano ( 19 hrs 4 steals) Posads ( 20 hrs 2 steals) Rodriguez ( 54 hrs 24 steals) Matsui ( 25 hrs 4 steals) Giambi ( 14 hrs 1 steal) not a bad lineup at all huh. There pitching staff was Pettitte who was (15-9 141 so in 215 innings) Wang who was there ace (19-7 104 so in 199 innings ) Musssina who went (11-10 91 so in 152 innings) Clemens who was (6-6 68 so in 99 innings ) and Igawa who was (2-3 53 so in 67 innings) and the closer Rivera who was ( 3-4 with 30 saves and 74 so in 71 innings) Not a bad pitching staff at all either.So if both manager were getting the same teams as last year back then it would be hand down that Girardi would have more wins. But thats not the case at all, well it sort of is for Torre who will be returning most all of his team. As for Girardi he will be losing some big time hitters and pitchers.I think it will be to hard for Girardi to try and make up 88 hrs 27 steals for the hitters leaving and a record of 24-19 with 283 so in 385 innings and 30 saves for the pitcher leaving. That will be a god awful task to complete.So with that being said there is now way Girardi and the Yankees will be able to match the win total of Torre and the Dodgers.So i would say that the Dodgers and Torre will Probaly finish in first place in there division,the Yankees and Girardi will probaly end up either 3-4 in the divison behind the RED SOX ,Baltimore or Toronto maybe behind all three of those teams but should finish ahead of Tampa Bay, but you never know the could end up the Cellar Dwellars if Tampa can put together a team of so sorts ( dont see that happening at all though).So the answer to your question is Torre and his Dodgers.......
markiemark69  All-Star 
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11/7/2007 7:13 PM ET

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